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Re: Enborne Road Upgrades Posted by: GrumpyEddie
Date Posted: May 19, 2013, 8:21pm
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Quoted from noobree


Gating? What on earth are you on about? We're talking about traffic calming.

The measures were presumably instigated in an attempt to get the morons who used to regularly drive on Enborne Road at 50/60 mph, past a school, to slow down.



See above. This article explains what gated communities are, in case you're confused:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/08/gated-communities-paranoia-girl-deaths


I regularly walk along there and I can not say I have ever seen a car travelling at that speed and as Brian has pointed out, there is no school anywhere near there now. Besides that, when exiting Sunderland Gardens, drivers are faced with cars travelling on the wrong side of the road.

Re: Massive hike in prices at Falkland Service Station Posted by: brian
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 9:16pm
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Quoted from Green guerilla
Lazy, self-satisfied people always pay more. Haven't you noticed that most people in Newbury are PROUD to be able to brag about how much it costs to live in Newbury?

Normal human nature, then.


You have a strange outlook on life. It certainly doesn't make me proud to pay more than the residents of Reading for anything. In fact I am  really hacked off about it but it is not possible to boycott the overcharging outlets in the area as the cost in time and the travelling expense precludes me from voting with my feet.

Re: Enborne Road Upgrades Posted by: brian
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 9:00pm
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Quoted from noobree


The measures were presumably instigated in an attempt to get the morons who used to regularly drive on Enborne Road at 50/60 mph, past a school, to slow down.



Pity they put the road halving in after the school was moved from Enborne Road though.

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: brian
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 8:54pm
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Quoted from Green guerilla
I was one of those scallywag hippie workshy scroungers! At the time, I was a single parent to three children and working full time, but the likes of Brian et alia prefer to think of me, and the many like me, as undeserving of an opinion. It serves their ignorant opinions better to paint us black - tarring everyone with the same brush, as it were.

I DO NOT, CANNOT AND WILL NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE OR THE DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY. Funny that the tory money making machine can't say the same, don't you think?

It was folly, it was wrong, it wasn't a solution. History is already judging it to have been so, hence this request from a hopefuly enlightened young person whose generation not only inherit the resultant problems but are also perfectly entitled to judge and have an opinion of their own, rather than getting it from the Sun/Mail/TV etc. I still haven't forgiven Anne Robinson...

Go ahead Jamie, you're entitled. And yes, those of us who wanted to leave a world for our children did indeed protest, despite the propoganda, but after all, we were fighting the tory, press-contolling money making machine.


I appreciate your comments and wonder how you managed three children, a full time job and a job on the protest line and see that you do not advocate violence or the destruction of property. Presumably, you removed yourself from the front line when it started. The whole style of the protest was encapsulated in its name, The Third Battle of Newbury.

Jamie, as you so rightly say, is entitled to his/her opinion and is also entitled to produce a documentary on the subject. My thoughts on the matter was that there should be some balance rather than creating heroes from the militant activists.

Re: Massive hike in prices at Falkland Service Station Posted by: GrumpyEddie
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 7:01pm
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Quoted from Green guerilla
Haven't you noticed that most people in Newbury are PROUD to be able to brag about how much it costs to live in Newbury?

No.

Re: Enborne Road Upgrades Posted by: noobree
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 10:19am
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Quoted from Green guerilla
The gating of our communities


Gating? What on earth are you on about? We're talking about traffic calming.

The measures were presumably instigated in an attempt to get the morons who used to regularly drive on Enborne Road at 50/60 mph, past a school, to slow down.

Quoted from Green guerilla
though all you sheep out there can't, and won't, see it...


See above. This article explains what gated communities are, in case you're confused:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/08/gated-communities-paranoia-girl-deaths


Re: Massive hike in prices at Falkland Service Station Posted by: Green guerilla
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 1:22am
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Lazy, self-satisfied people always pay more. Haven't you noticed that most people in Newbury are PROUD to be able to brag about how much it costs to live in Newbury?

Normal human nature, then.

Re: Enborne Road Upgrades Posted by: Green guerilla
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 1:19am
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The gating of our communities continues. The implications are enormous, though all you sheep out there can't, and won't, see it...

Re: All in it together except Benyon Posted by: Green guerilla
Date Posted: May 17, 2013, 1:17am
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Well, there we go. There are those of us who are more interested in the future of our society and the fair distribution of the wealth that we ALL create, and there are tories.

It's a good job that we aren't all selfish. So the argunet is... shall we have a society where some people take full advantage, or shall we have a society where we all contibute to the common good? History and anthropology tell us that we are the most succesful animal on the planet BECAUSE of our ability to work together for the common good. I'd be intereted to hear then, how it is that some people deserve more than others?

Who contributes more to your daily health. Is it doctors, or is it the people who toil daily to take away our rotting rubbish, who take away and deal with your effluent (wees and poos) who clear rubbish from your streets and street bins, who keep your environment clean? What about the MANY people who work just so you've got food on your plate? The farmers, delivery drivers, the people who put it on the shelf for you to pick?

hey tories, try getting a sense of values, or aren't your brains big enough to consider all of these factors?

Re: Overcharging at Tesco Extra Newbury Posted by: Green guerilla
Date Posted: May 16, 2013, 10:54pm
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Tesco overcharge, deny their responsibilities under Consumer Law, and treat everything and everyone with the usual tory money making machine contempt. The way they treat their staff (who are also my fellow Newbury residents) is appalling.

I was once accused of shoplifting from tesco extra because a member of staff had seen me steal a bottle of brandy. Only I hadn't and their false accusation cost them a lot of money. They're a totally foul company and haven't had any business from me in a very long time.

By contrast, shopping at Sainsbury is pleasant, the people who work there (who are also my fellow Newbury residents) are nice, relaxed, helpful and easy to chat with. So I go there.

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: Green guerilla
Date Posted: May 16, 2013, 10:45pm
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I was one of those scallywag hippie workshy scroungers! At the time, I was a single parent to three children and working full time, but the likes of Brian et alia prefer to think of me, and the many like me, as undeserving of an opinion. It serves their ignorant opinions better to paint us black - tarring everyone with the same brush, as it were.

I DO NOT, CANNOT AND WILL NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE OR THE DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY. Funny that the tory money making machine can't say the same, don't you think?

It was folly, it was wrong, it wasn't a solution. History is already judging it to have been so, hence this request from a hopefuly enlightened young person whose generation not only inherit the resultant problems but are also perfectly entitled to judge and have an opinion of their own, rather than getting it from the Sun/Mail/TV etc. I still haven't forgiven Anne Robinson...

Go ahead Jamie, you're entitled. And yes, those of us who wanted to leave a world for our children did indeed protest, despite the propoganda, but after all, we were fighting the tory, press-contolling money making machine.

Re: Eighty year old man robbed in Northbrook Street Posted by: Number 6
Date Posted: May 16, 2013, 8:17pm
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It would seem that with the number of miscreants habituating the town increasing, a less tolerant approach to policing might be required if a slippery slope of crime is to be avoided. Discuss.

Eighty year old man robbed in Northbrook Street Posted by: Administrator
Date Posted: May 15, 2013, 6:52pm
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Thames Valley Police is appealing for witnesses to a robbery in Northbrook Street, Newbury.

At 9.45am this morning (15th May) a man in his eighties was walking past Costa Coffee in Northbrook Street when he was attacked from behind and his briefcase was stolen. The offender ran towards the canal towpath along Hambridge Lane.

During the robbery the victim sustained head injuries and was taken to the Royal Berkshire Hospital, where he remains in a stable condition.

The offender was in his late thirties and was short with short grey spiky hair. He was wearing a navy blue top and jeans.

The briefcase stolen was made of black fabric and had the letters IPPCR in white letters on the front.

Investigating Officer, PC Jason Watkins said: “This was a nasty attack on a vulnerable, elderly gentleman who has been left very shaken by the incident. There were a lot of people around at the time and we appeal to them to come forward if they think they saw the attack or the man running away from the scene”.

Police are appealing for anyone who saw the robbery or who has seen a man with this description to contact PC Jason Watkins at Newbury police station via the 24-hour non-emergency number 101.

If you don't want to speak directly to the police you can contact the independent charity Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111 or online at crimestoppers-uk.org.

No personal details are taken, information is not traced or recorded and you will not go to court.

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: James_Trinder
Date Posted: May 15, 2013, 11:53am
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I just had a look at the trailer for this at http://www.kinokast.net

It does a relatively good job of representing the viewpoint of the protesters but that is about it.

As for the grandiose claim of reversing the road building policy I am not sure that is quite true.

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: brian
Date Posted: May 14, 2013, 9:58pm
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The Tarmac offices were damaged badly and the innocent staff terrorised whilst an out of control mob ransacked their premises. The funny side of it was that Tarmac were not contenders for the bypass work or for the supply of materials either. The contractor was Costain in fact.

I'm surprised you believe that I am or was a local politician. I would confirm I am not and have never been involved with any colour, blue, red, orange or green.

It is a fact of life that if we wish to survive as a nation we need good transport links and our road system has to provide a distribution network for the food and goods that we need. We are not a third world country and I believe that the government of the time were wrong to bow down to the forces of so called protesters who today will have morphed into business suited members of our society driving around on our road system in their modern cars doing the weekly shop at Sainsbury's or Waitrose moaning about the delays on the daily commute to work due to a road system that should have continued to be upgraded to fit the way that we live.
In terms of countryside and the local ecology, the wound of the construction has already healed and Newbury is a better place to live for it.




Re: Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning. Posted by: BrianB
Date Posted: May 14, 2013, 11:46am
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However, the lights on either side of the bridge were working, even with the traffic stationary.  And the road surface is the same as in Market Place.  So why can these lights cope with stationary traffic where the Market Place lights can't?


These lights are not controlled by the traffic. Watch them during the pedestrianised hours and you will see they are changing on a timed sequence. Drive southwards down Northbrook Street late in the evening and you can watch the lights changing from green to red as you approach them. You sit there with lights on red but no traffic comes over the bridge from Bartholomew Street.

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: blackdog
Date Posted: May 14, 2013, 11:01am
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Yes, the Beeching cuts coupled by Marples road freight debacle was indeed a travesty. But this wasn't a reason to irreversibly destroy a nine-mile swathe amazingly diverse English countryside, it was a short term 'solution' to placate local voters. If you listened closely, it was exactly that those 'bunch of ne'er do wells' were screaming from the treetops.

Rubbish - the Newbury bypass was not built for Newbury, it was built for the commercial road users, to remove a bottleneck in the transport of freight from the south coast ports to the Midlands and beyond.

Car users and Newbury residents also benefited hugely - but that was a side effect, not the cause.

Quoted from kinokast.net

I don't believe a local poll would come anywhere near a national poll at the time either. That's my point, at that time the government's transport solution was a national problem. But as a local politician yourself, I imagine that's the introverted facade you need to maintain.

?  The government's transport solution was their reaction to a national problem - removing bottlenecks in the movement of goods around the country.  You may disagree with their solution, but they were/are the democratically elected government - the green vote has not yet managed to topple them.

Quoted from kinokast.net

The tarmac offices were a legitimate target, no-one was hurt. It was non-violent direct action. Look it up. For those locals that had the 'frighteners' imposed upon them, not to mention the 'mayhem', I suggest you get out a bit more... If you had been living anywhere near where the bypass 'security personnel' were housed near Steventon, they truly experienced the wrath of the unemployed, disaffected and the community sentenced with a serious spike in their crime rate.

The 'security personnel' were a direct result of the protest - the Steventon community suffered indirectly through the actions of the protesters.

Quoted from kinokast.net
Surely you concede that after the Newbury Bypass protests the Tories shelved a £10 billion road building plan. This was directly due to these 'political yobs' highlighting the issues and as a result the public opinion changing and consequently the government withdrawing. I in turn concede that a minority of protesters were not there for the right reasons, it's inevitable when you have a spontaneous national mobilisation with little organisation or management.

I will certainly concede that the road building plan was shelved - and that it was a result of the Newbury and Winchester protests.  However, I am not convinced it was due to a significant shift in public opinion. I would suggest that the massive increase in timescales and costs necessitated by the protests had as much, if not more, effect.

Quoted from kinokast.net
You assume I'm making a classical, technical documentary about your town's bypass, when actually I'm not. Nor am I reporter. I'm a filmmaker making a documentary about a surge of young people trying to make a difference. They lost the third battle of Newbury, but they won the war and their story needs to be told in their words, void of the predicable rhetoric from locals and mainstream media. A story about what happens to an individual in our 'civilised' country when due process fails them and they non-violently object, finding themselves subjected to the truly violent arm of our 'democracy'.

I'm not sure what the difference between a 'technical' and filmmaker's documentary - but I would hope that any documentary would be a balanced view of the facts. It sounds to me that you are keen to present the protesters viewpoint, with little regard to anyone else's.  To me this makes it look less like a documentary and more like a propaganda film.

Re: Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning. Posted by: blackdog
Date Posted: May 14, 2013, 8:24am
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Got stuck in this gridlock the other day - going north up Bartholomew St.  The bridge was blocked by the tailback from the Market Place lights.

However, the lights on either side of the bridge were working, even with the traffic stationary.  And the road surface is the same as in Market Place.  So why can these lights cope with stationary traffic where the Market Place lights can't?

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: kinokast.net
Date Posted: May 13, 2013, 6:49pm
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Yes, the Beeching cuts coupled by Marples road freight debacle was indeed a travesty. But this wasn't a reason to irreversibly destroy a nine-mile swathe amazingly diverse English countryside, it was a short term 'solution' to placate local voters. If you listened closely, it was exactly that those 'bunch of ne'er do wells' were screaming from the treetops.

I don't believe a local poll would come anywhere near a national poll at the time either. That's my point, at that time the government's transport solution was a national problem. But as a local politician yourself, I imagine that's the introverted facade you need to maintain.

The tarmac offices were a legitimate target, no-one was hurt. It was non-violent direct action. Look it up. For those locals that had the 'frighteners' imposed upon them, not to mention the 'mayhem', I suggest you get out a bit more... If you had been living anywhere near where the bypass 'security personnel' were housed near Steventon, they truly experienced the wrath of the unemployed, disaffected and the community sentenced with a serious spike in their crime rate.

Friends of the Earth distanced themselves from protesters primarily in January 1997, when they set fire to a digger and a portacabin during a 'reunion' protest. Not before. Let's not exaggerate.

Your local transport arguments are all well and good, like I said no one denied that Newbury had a traffic problem, so there's little purpose in detailing the mechanics of it all.

Surely you concede that after the Newbury Bypass protests the Tories shelved a £10 billion road building plan. This was directly due to these 'political yobs' highlighting the issues and as a result the public opinion changing and consequently the government withdrawing. I in turn concede that a minority of protesters were not there for the right reasons, it's inevitable when you have a spontaneous national mobilisation with little organisation or management.

You assume I'm making a classical, technical documentary about your town's bypass, when actually I'm not. Nor am I reporter. I'm a filmmaker making a documentary about a surge of young people trying to make a difference. They lost the third battle of Newbury, but they won the war and their story needs to be told in their words, void of the predicable rhetoric from locals and mainstream media. A story about what happens to an individual in our 'civilised' country when due process fails them and they non-violently object, finding themselves subjected to the truly violent arm of our 'democracy'.







Quoted from brian


Nice to see you back, I thought that you were a hit and run poster.

You may be right about inadequate transport sytems but after the knee jerk Beeching cuts to the rail system and Mr Marples being given the green light to take freight from the rail system and put it on the road, the build up of heavy lorries on our roads took their toll on towns and villages that, like Newbury, bore the brunt of of the increase in the use of those roads. There is little chance now that goods will return to rail although there are one or two heavy users, mainly those transporting roadstone to build new roads. There was a recent concerted effort by one company to get goods traffic back to rail but it didn't happen. Even the Post Office closed their rail contract in favour of large HGV's bombing around the road network during the night.

I do not believe that a poll of local people came anywhere close to the national figure that you quote. What we saw was a bunch of ne'er do wells causing mayhem and putting the frighteners on locals that they thought might have some connection with the scheme. Breaking into and smashing up during the day the offices of Tarmac in town. In actual fact, the Newbury Weekly News conducted a phone in poll in December 1994 and of over 2,300 people who voted, only 340 supported Mr Mawhinney's decision to suspend the approval to build. A similar poll carried out in a local shopping precinct by the local college returned a similar 6:1 result and in February, 1995 Meridian TV returned another 6:1 result.

It is a matter of fact that even the Friends of the Earth were against the violence an made great effort to distance themselves from the protest

You seem to have overlooked the fact that Newbury was on the A34 trunk road from the North to the South and to the ports in the South. It was part of Euroroute E05 from Greenock to Algeciras in Spain. That section of the trunk road was the only bit that wasn't a dual carriageway and didn't we know it. In fact it was the first opportunity HGVs had to try out their brakes and I know this as I lived at the bottom of the hill where a horrific accident due to brake failure took the life of two servicemen going on leave right outside my front door.

I assume that you are quite young and you probably have no idea what the road network was like in the fifties, sixties and the seventies. the Motorways have gone a considerable way to taking traffic away from population, the opening of the M40 for instance from Oxford and on to the midlands took the strain off of numerous villages on the old A40.

It's a bit too late to bang the drum now and your assertion that young people were giving up their education to protest and attempt to turn the government away from road building is, in my opinion, not true. The majority of the protesters were in their later twenties and older and might be seen as heroes in their time. You may of course take an opposite view to me but from someone who had some personal knowledge of that time, the protesters were nothing more than a crowd of yobs who would stop at nothing to meet their political objectives. I might suggest that you take a closer look at so called protesters against a myriad of things, not just road building. A large proportion are in it for an opportunity to create mayhem under the cloak of a protest.

I detect a certain amount of bias in your postings and I hope that you might take a broader view when producing your report. I freely admit that I am biased but I am neither reporting or committing to history, the story of the Newbury and other by-passes.

Finally, the by-pass took nearly twenty years from the first serious consideration in 1979 to the opening in 1998



Re: Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning. Posted by: Administrator
Date Posted: May 11, 2013, 8:10am
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This problem has been going on for months. I have advised West Berks (Directly to one of their officers).  Perhaps I should put in a proper report via Streetcare.

Having sat in the Market Place on many occasions, I have watched this develop and the reasons are obvious as indicated in my original post. The taxi drivers are well aware of the problem and the cause. On a couple of occasions taxis stuck in the queue have pulled out and driven down the nearside to the front of the queue - The movement of the taxi activates the lights and resolves the problem of having to break the law and "jump the lights".

The problem develops before 9.00am and after 5.00pm

Thursday was particularly bad. Ask Barry Forkin, he was stuck outside Camp's for 10 mins. waiting for the traffic to clear.

Re: Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning. Posted by: brian
Date Posted: May 10, 2013, 9:06pm
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Admin, with all due respect, how is it that as an amateur traffic watcher, you can deduce this and the professionals in Market Street have missed it.

Re: Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning. Posted by: HJD
Date Posted: May 9, 2013, 4:05pm
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Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning (Thursday)
The gridlock situation remains until the vehicles at the head of the queue decide to jump the lights. The sensors then activate and traffic returns to normal.
This morning, the car at the front of the queue was reluctant to jump the lights.


I always thought it was an offence to jump lights.

Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning. Posted by: Administrator
Date Posted: May 9, 2013, 12:18pm
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Gridlock in Newbury Town Centre this morning (Thursday)

The whole of Newbury Town Centre ground to a halt just before 9.00am this morning (Thursday). Traffic was completely stationary in the Market Place, Northbrook Street, Bartholomew Street and was even backing up the Andover Road towards the Gun public house.

This problem is now happening on a regular basis and is caused by the traffic lights in the Market Place (adjacent to the old Barclays Bank). The hold-ups occur primarily during the morning and evening rush hour.

The traffic lights in question are controlled by movement detectors on the top of the traffic light array. Most traffic lights in Newbury are controlled by sensors in the road; this is not possible at this location because of the cobbled surface.

Queuing traffic in Cheap Street heading for the police station roundabout tends to block the exit from the Market Place. In consequence no movement is being detected from traffic queuing in the Market Place.  The gridlock situation remains until the vehicles at the head of the queue decide to jump the lights. The sensors then activate and traffic returns to normal.

This morning, the car at the front of the queue was reluctant to jump the lights. In consequence, the traffic built up through the Market Place and Mansion House Street and blocked the canal bridge with southbound traffic. This in turn prevented the movement of northbound traffic into Northbrook Street from Bartholomew Street. And so it went on until the whole town was gridlocked.

Re: Changes to Corn Exchange Car Park Posted by: Old Goat
Date Posted: May 7, 2013, 6:08pm
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Great to see so many crowds, parked in Northbrook Street car park, no issues, first time I've ever been to a big popular event and been able to park almost at the gate!  

Re: Changes to Corn Exchange Car Park Posted by: greenmeanie61
Date Posted: May 7, 2013, 7:08am
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Green Meanies will be on patrol with "strict " instructions from their head honcho to penalise anybody who dares to transgress any of the rules. The major source of revenue for them will be the bus park which is normally completely empty (of buses) on Crafty Craft day. A couple of years back, nearly 20 families had their day out ruined because they ended up with a parking penalty for parking in the bus spaces.


How did the day pan out in the end?

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: brian
Date Posted: May 6, 2013, 7:20pm
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Quoted from kinokast.net
I understand your point, the only thing I would like to correct is that I don't believe it's 'inadequate road systems' but 'inadequate transport systems'. Cars are necessary, but shouldn't be dominant.


Nice to see you back, I thought that you were a hit and run poster.

You may be right about inadequate transport sytems but after the knee jerk Beeching cuts to the rail system and Mr Marples being given the green light to take freight from the rail system and put it on the road, the build up of heavy lorries on our roads took their toll on towns and villages that, like Newbury, bore the brunt of of the increase in the use of those roads. There is little chance now that goods will return to rail although there are one or two heavy users, mainly those transporting roadstone to build new roads. There was a recent concerted effort by one company to get goods traffic back to rail but it didn't happen. Even the Post Office closed their rail contract in favour of large HGV's bombing around the road network during the night.

I do not believe that a poll of local people came anywhere close to the national figure that you quote. What we saw was a bunch of ne'er do wells causing mayhem and putting the frighteners on locals that they thought might have some connection with the scheme. Breaking into and smashing up during the day the offices of Tarmac in town. In actual fact, the Newbury Weekly News conducted a phone in poll in December 1994 and of over 2,300 people who voted, only 340 supported Mr Mawhinney's decision to suspend the approval to build. A similar poll carried out in a local shopping precinct by the local college returned a similar 6:1 result and in February, 1995 Meridian TV returned another 6:1 result.

It is a matter of fact that even the Friends of the Earth were against the violence an made great effort to distance themselves from the protest

You seem to have overlooked the fact that Newbury was on the A34 trunk road from the North to the South and to the ports in the South. It was part of Euroroute E05 from Greenock to Algeciras in Spain. That section of the trunk road was the only bit that wasn't a dual carriageway and didn't we know it. In fact it was the first opportunity HGVs had to try out their brakes and I know this as I lived at the bottom of the hill where a horrific accident due to brake failure took the life of two servicemen going on leave right outside my front door.

I assume that you are quite young and you probably have no idea what the road network was like in the fifties, sixties and the seventies. the Motorways have gone a considerable way to taking traffic away from population, the opening of the M40 for instance from Oxford and on to the midlands took the strain off of numerous villages on the old A40.

It's a bit too late to bang the drum now and your assertion that young people were giving up their education to protest and attempt to turn the government away from road building is, in my opinion, not true. The majority of the protesters were in their later twenties and older and might be seen as heroes in their time. You may of course take an opposite view to me but from someone who had some personal knowledge of that time, the protesters were nothing more than a crowd of yobs who would stop at nothing to meet their political objectives. I might suggest that you take a closer look at so called protesters against a myriad of things, not just road building. A large proportion are in it for an opportunity to create mayhem under the cloak of a protest.

I detect a certain amount of bias in your postings and I hope that you might take a broader view when producing your report. I freely admit that I am biased but I am neither reporting or committing to history, the story of the Newbury and other by-passes.

Finally, the by-pass took nearly twenty years from the first serious consideration in 1979 to the opening in 1998

  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: kinokast.net
Date Posted: May 6, 2013, 4:26pm
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I understand your point, the only thing I would like to correct is that I don't believe it's 'inadequate road systems' but 'inadequate transport systems'. Cars are necessary, but shouldn't be dominant.



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Newbury was lucky, it got it's bypass (albeit along the wrong route) - I feel sorry for those who have missed out since. I hope your film also shows how the cancellation of the road building programme has left many people living in areas blighted by traffic and how the economy suffers (nationally and regionally) from transport delays caused by inadequate road systems.  All part of the bigger picture.





  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: blackdog
Date Posted: May 6, 2013, 4:08pm
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Brian,

You say '"We the residents wanted this bypass" yet a national poll published in the Newbury Weekly News (10 March 1996) found that 53% of respondents thought that "work should stop immediately to allow time for alternatives to be tried".

Most locals, protesters and politicians alike openly acknowledged that Newbury had a traffic problem, it was the solution that was the truly contentious issue. It was a solution being used all over the country at the time... It was a solution that the protests at Newbury finally put a halt to, a ten billion pound road building scheme that has been on the shelf ever since. (admittedly George Osbourne does currently seems quite keen to start it all again)

These 'scallywags' you demonise with cheap insults, reversed a governments £10 billion road building program. This is what my film is about, it's about young people protecting their future, sacrificing their education and careers to make a stand against something they felt was fundamentally flawed.

It's not about a another town, with another traffic problem that builds another bypass on top of an old one. And it's not about predictable myopic locals who could only see how it effected the bubble they lived in, it's about the bigger picture.


Newbury was lucky, it got it's bypass (albeit along the wrong route) - I feel sorry for those who have missed out since. I hope your film also shows how the cancellation of the road building programme has left many people living in areas blighted by traffic and how the economy suffers (nationally and regionally) from transport delays caused by inadequate road systems.  All part of the bigger picture.



  Re: Newbury Bypass protests Posted by: kinokast.net
Date Posted: May 6, 2013, 3:24pm
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Brian,

You say '"We the residents wanted this bypass" yet a national poll published in the Newbury Weekly News (10 March 1996) found that 53% of respondents thought that "work should stop immediately to allow time for alternatives to be tried".

Most locals, protesters and politicians alike openly acknowledged that Newbury had a traffic problem, it was the solution that was the truly contentious issue. It was a solution being used all over the country at the time... It was a solution that the protests at Newbury finally put a halt to, a ten billion pound road building scheme that has been on the shelf ever since. (admittedly George Osbourne does currently seems quite keen to start it all again)

These 'scallywags' you demonise with cheap insults, reversed a governments £10 billion road building program. This is what my film is about, it's about young people protecting their future, sacrificing their education and careers to make a stand against something they felt was fundamentally flawed.

It's not about a another town with another traffic problem, that builds another bypass on top of an old one. And it's not about predictable myopic locals who could only see how it effected the bubble they lived in, it's about the bigger picture.






Quoted from brian
An episode that most Newbury people want to forget. An invasion of people intent on causing as much criminal damage and disruption at an enormous cost to the taxpayer. We the residents wanted this bypass so that we could live a reasonable life without the unrelenting north south traffic damaging our environment and blocking our town.
The invasion of a load of scallywags, most of whom were on benefits and were no more than urban geurillas and anarchists, left us in despair as the process dragged on.
Fortunately, the bypass was finished and the trash moved on to a new protest. Good riddance but a shame for the next locality.



Re: Changes to Corn Exchange Car Park Posted by: BrianB
Date Posted: May 4, 2013, 4:52pm
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Thanks for the update Green Meanie.

Perhaps we should remind everyone that on Monday (Bank Holiday), Green Meanies will be on patrol with strict instructions from their head honcho to penalise anybody who dares to transgress any of the rules. The major source of revenue for them will be the bus park which is normally completely empty (of buses) on Crafty Craft day. A couple of years back, nearly 20 families had their day out ruined because they ended up with a parking penalty for parking in the bus spaces.

Currently on a Bank Holiday, parking in Newbury car parks is free. This is all about to change. Parking will be charged at standard rates as soon as WBC get the legislation through.

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